Canon 5d mark III announced

[ArindomRC]

Rahul, just crop it off 5D mk2/mk3  .. yes the mp count will be less, then again, it works ...

In D700/800 this feature is about using a crop portion of the sensor to record the image... You will have to do it manually, if you know the trick to mount a EF-s lens, then even 10-22 wide angle lens works at 16mm and higher

Regards,
Arindom

[Soam]

Bigger sensor and super high ISO, I would even forget myself!

Uber-awesome!

[neocore]

There is one more catch in addition to the megapixel count, which no one is talking about...D800 also can also shoot in DX format with a megapixel count of 15.4...So if asomeone is upgrading from crop sensor to FF, they dont have to let go of their fav DX lenses (eg. sigma 30mm 1.4 which outperforms even the 35mm L and many more..)..also it gives an added advantage to Indie film makers with the look of the print (not to mention uncompressed video)...i dont know how it is gona turn out..but i so wish 5D mark iii had the same...

But if people want to use DX lenses why buy D800 in first place, they can buy d7000 for half of the price. and for video in d800 they have primitive codecs, they are not comparable to panasonic GH2 or even 5d mark ii

some more info about nikon's video:
http://www.eoshd.com/content/7015/first-impressions-of-the-2999-nikon-d800-video-mode

Anyways, nikon aren't strong in videos so we cant expect more from them(considering canon, panasonic and sony have cine cameras which are tuned for videos).

Nikon d800 will be excellent for those people who have best glass and want 36mp. For everyone else, there is always trusty d700.

[Brendon]

^^ Some people may already have DX lenses that they don't wish to get rid off when moving to full frame.

Also if people have a tele lens and wish to shoot wildlife and birds, the D800 has a free 1.5x teleconverter since 16 MP is plenty of detail.

Its basically a choice. You can shoot 36 MP all day long with superb AF, reliable metering, great viewfinder etc and you are free to downsample 95% of your photos to 12 MP. However for those 5% of shots that you really want 36 MP, you have that choice.

Here is a nice spec comparison -

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii

My utterly and solemnly unbiased opinions based on these comparisons being a neutral/more advanced/betterer third party Sony user are -

1. Higher MP count for Nikon (Yeah !!!! ) +1 Nikon

2. MUCH bigger sensor size for the Canon 5D MK III (36x24 vs 35.9 x 24 !!!! ) + 100 Canon !!!

3. Canon has a slightly bigger viewfinder though both show 100% coverage (0.71x for Canon vs 0.7 for Nikon) Too small to decide so its a tie

4. Canon has got a noticeably faster burst mode (6 fps vs 4 fps. Though Nikon can also do 6 fps but in crop mode (15.4 MP) only AND with a battery grip) +1 Canon

5. Canon has more AF points including AF cross sensor points. However thats merely a theoretical performance advantage since no one has seen the 61 AF point system in action yet. The Nikon 51 point AF system is shared across the D300, D700, D3, D3s and D3x but perform slightly better on the higher end cameras and its known to be arguably the best AF system to date. (Inconclusive but for specs alone Canon wins) + 1 Canon

6. The BIGGEST advantage of the D800 over the 5D MK III is that the D800 has a built in flash !!!!!!! Imagine telling star struck bystanders who think you are a uber professional with a camera costing 1.8 lacs and then thinking their 3k Nikon coolpix has a built in flash so this must be some cheap Chinese camera. + 1 Nikon

Ok jokes aside the built in flash is a commander flash and so can be used to trigger other Nikon flashes which is a money saver. Also lets not forget that the built in flash can come in real handy on many an occassion. Its not easy to carry around a spare flash everywhere you go. And considering the Nikon costs $500 less than Canon its a major plus for Nikon

7. Canon has a slightly higher rated battery which is always a good thing to have. +1 Canon

8. Nikon has got USB 3.0 !!! Great for transferring huge movie files and those large 36 MP RAW photos. +1 Nikon

9. Nikon has a higher rated shutter but that is meaningless since Canon simply hasn't tested their shutter any higher.  - Tie

10. And lastly Nikon has a clear $500 price advantage over Canon. + 1 Nikon

11. Lastly lastly since no one has mentioned it, Nikon also offers a $400 extra version with a cancelled antialias sensor. This means crisper more bitting sharp images. I would wager that those shooting landscapes with the cancelled AA filter and a Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 will shoot photos sharp enough to be compared with even MF cameras easily making it THE best VFM pro landscape camera available.

[neocore]

^^ Some people may already have DX lenses that they don't wish to get rid off when moving to full frame.

Also if people have a tele lens and wish to shoot wildlife and birds, the D800 has a free 1.5x teleconverter since 16 MP is plenty of detail.

I hope people who are potential buyers of D800, would know that they can still crop to 16mp from their 36mp images.

There is no point in using dx lenses on d800, considering that most fx lenses has very high resolution in center of the frame, people better sell thier dx glass and get fx glass.

An image from d800 with fx glass cropped to 16mp will be any day better than image from d800 used with dx glass.

[Brendon]

^^ Thats true. But when people have tons of APS-C only lenses its not always practical to sell all of them and get FF lenses.

Also the free Teleconverter is immensely useful for wildlife enthusiasts who generally keep one APS-C body on hand to shoot wildlife and birds as they want more reach.

[neocore]

If they have tons of aps-c only lenses they dont need to go for D800  , they might wait for D400(which will have nex7's 24mp sensor).

But people should always invest in FF lenses  (one, it will anyways be better than dx lenses and second if u look around u could get bargain FF lenses)

[vkalia]

I challenge anyone here to show me one photo they've taken with a Canon/Nikon that they would not have been able to take with the other brand (or one which is noticeably better).

This whole specs wars thing is idiotic.   Sort of like the Cold War eras when the USSR could destroy the world 7 times while the US could only do so 6.9 times, and each tried to go ahead of the other, regardless of whether there was any benefit or no.

Sticking to my 5D2 and 50D for now.

[Hellwrath]

I challenge anyone here to show me one photo they've taken with a Canon/Nikon that they would not have been able to take with the other brand (or one which is noticeably better).

Vandit,
Now that you asked for it, the thread will go silent for many days to come unless some new development happens .

[neocore]

I challenge anyone here to show me one photo they've taken with a Canon/Nikon that they would not have been able to take with the other brand (or one which is noticeably better).

As far the cameras goes, specs should be treated at the last, giving more importance to handling and performance of the cameras(its just that how fast your camera can produce the visual seen in your brain).

Even in film era, there was a place for both hasselblad and mamiya's, though both can produce same output on right hands. Same is for canikon compared to other company's.

[Apacheebest]

Thank you all for all your inputs on This Product , it makes my waiting worthwhile !

[toofan]

I totally agree with Doc Rajesh here, Here the canon did the cleaver thing by having a  bigger sensor.

[Brendon]

I challenge anyone here to show me one photo they've taken with a Canon/Nikon that they would not have been able to take with the other brand (or one which is noticeably better).

This whole specs wars thing is idiotic.   Sort of like the Cold War eras when the USSR could destroy the world 7 times while the US could only do so 6.9 times, and each tried to go ahead of the other, regardless of whether there was any benefit or no.

Sticking to my 5D2 and 50D for now.

Hey, facts and sanity have no place in Canon/Nikon brand wars. Shoo !!! 

[Hankosaurus]

Vandit,

It's really great to see your insightful and thought provoking posts on JJMPF again. Glad to see you have come through the "lull" you described in another thread.

.... This whole specs wars thing is idiotic.   Sort of like the Cold War eras when the USSR could destroy the world 7 times while the US could only do so 6.9 times, and each tried to go ahead of the other, regardless of whether there was any benefit or no. ... Sticking to my 5D2 and 50D for now.

Absolutely. Most folks here, myself included, would find that a current generation dSLR exceeds their actual shooting requirements by a long shot, and for a long time to come. There are at least ten good reasons to buy a new dSLR, and nine of them are LUST.  I forgot who said that, but I believe it.

Again, welcome back.

[ArjunSuri]

My 2x11 cents:

1.Canon 5D3 will surely give you better low light performance. Please refer to the gazillion sites who've mentioned/proven this. This is a HUGE plus for HDSLR Video folks. Proof can be found in the 12800 ISO samples easily available by googling the same

2.If you look back to the earlier slr cameras by Canon (I believe I had the ELAN 50 something), some of the AF tech used here is the same and it never appeared in later cameras (NO idea why!). Having personally used it, I feel it's a huge plus. I used one of those film cameras back when I was in 9th standard (Yes:P) and had plenty of my "work" published/displayed. It was just so easy to focus that a kid could do it. (Yeah, agreed, that's not the point)

3.Megapixels never really matter to most users. In my 7 years of work, I've never really needed more than 10. Some of the best pictures I've clicked have been with my 1000D (10.1MP)

4.Weatherproofing: 5D3 has "improved" weather proofing but that doesn't mean it's guaranteed water proof. You're still gonna think a million times before taking it out in the rain. Also, the weather proofing really depends on whether you have a weather proof lens or not too. So please, purchase/drench carefully.

5.Pricing is on the higher side for the 5D3, the D800 looks more competitive. If you're primarily doing stills, the Nikon E version will probably render better results that the 5D3. If you're doing video, the 5D3 gains experience and features from the 1Dx and C300 lines and the ISO performance is unmatched. Check out some samples and you'll see what I mean. (IMHO)

6.Yes, 9 points vs 61 points will make a difference. But if you're shooting in good light, that shouldn't matter too much. New is always going to be better, but is it better enough for another Rs.60k?? (Have been shooting with a 5D2 for a while now: glorious!) Still, it WILL make a huge difference to people shooting primarily in low light

7.If all you need to do is click pretty pictures and share them asap on facebook, get an iPhone 4s. It's got an amazing camera and holds up in the toughest situations. Apps give you enough editing options AND it fits into your pocket. I have used one for about a week and it's gonna look as good as a Leica M9 on facebook if shot well, not kidding.

8.Higher fps: Matters for action photographers like myself. 4-6fps is huge if you shoot stuff that moves quick

9.If you have a warehouse full of nikon glass, please do not upgrade. It would be utterly pointless. Get the D800E, it will do the job just fine.

10.If you have a warehouse full of canon glass, please do not upgrade. It would be utterly pointless since both you and I know you're not going to be printing billboards (those things are 80% photoshop anyway, and the 5D2 will do it as well, if that's your hook).

11.If you're caught in a dilemma, be faithful. Stick to your camera. Go out shooting more often. Read more books. Imagine freely. Try to shoot things with your camera that you never thought you could shoot before. Explore it, inside out. Push it to it's limits. And if you reach a point when you can say that the camera can't replicate what you can imagine, UPGRADE.

Good luck to all buyers/dreamers/photographers

[Hankosaurus]

Hello Arjun.

Thanks for a very insightful, informative post.

I will add a thought:

7.If all you need to do is click pretty pictures and share them asap on facebook, get an iPhone 4s. It's got an amazing camera and holds up in the toughest situations. Apps give you enough editing options AND it fits into your pocket. I have used one for about a week and it's gonna look as good as a Leica M9 on facebook if shot well, not kidding.

I get the point, but I have yet to see a cellphone with good DOF control, or good creative control for that matter. Infinite DOF is not the same as good DOF control. I do agree that anyone with a microformat digi P&S might as well just get a cellphone. Millions of people agree, as nowadays most images taken are with cellphones. The wee little microformat digi P&S market is in big trouble.

Happy day.

[ArjunSuri]

Agreed. And honestly, the camera on the 4S is VERY different from what you've seen before. The colors are amazing, there's detail and low light is exceptional (much better than any P&S I've ever come across). Also, the amazing lens (f2.4) on it provides a very pleasing DOF when shot at portrait kind'a distances. The "new" iPad was just announced and is rumored to have the same camera but with a 5MP sensor. As for me, I'd prefer a great phone camera to a p&s simply coz you'll carry it everywhere and it'll deliver. Also, you're almost never going to do professional work on it so the ability to edit the pictures in apps like Instagram and share it with friends/family is a real bonus (We all have dozens of albums of personal snapshots not more than a handful of family/friends have ever laid eyes on!) I think you should check out the flickr group of the iPhone 4S. I bet my 5D Mark II, you'll be amazed 

[toofan]

Last few posts have been very disappointing for the old members here.

Specially, me, Dr Rajesh and Brendon will never enjoy such posts.  

[gops009]

My 2x11 cents:

11.If you're caught in a dilemma, be faithful. Stick to your camera. Go out shooting more often. Read more books. Imagine freely. Try to shoot things with your camera that you never thought you could shoot before. Explore it, inside out. Push it to it's limits. And if you reach a point when you can say that the camera can't replicate what you can imagine, UPGRADE.

Good luck to all buyers/dreamers/photographers

WELL SAID

[Stuge]

SeriouSLY ,Canon vs Nikon vs ETC this thing has been beaten to death .Stick to what you have .Mega Pixel doesn't mean   a thing in photographic world if your photography ins't good to being with .