Canon Announces the Touch Enabled Canon announces EOS 650D / Rebel T4i 18MP

[theqca]

im happy to hear about the touchscreen...does it come with angry birds installed or does that have to be downloaded seperately?

[Brendon]

You conveniently forgot to notice that the fast 40mm also has STM. Also I think there is some gap in your understanding of the AF here. STM lenses are only offering fast silent AF in video. The Phase detect AF in video is still going to work on other AF lenses as well. It may not be that silent.
In any case, the joke is that Sony will AF with all lenses ... only provided you can get them
A look at What's new is mouth watering:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/3
[/quote]

Nope doc, the 650D cannot AF with non STM lenses.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/08/Canon-announces-EOS-650D-Rebel-T4i

Read the red asterisk mark. You NEED an STM lens to use AF otherwise you get contrast AF which is super slow.

More here - http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24161/what-technical-reasons-prevent-canons-new-hybrid-af-working-with-non-stm-lenses

[lightwave]

2nd link is not worth commenting. From the firstn

New EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and EF 40mm f/2.8 STM lenses are also ideal for shooting videos, utilising a virtually-silent stepper motor to ensure movies are smoother and clearer than ever.

Let's wait. And the 7D successor is yet to come.

[Brendon]

Hey doc, I had nothing against the 18-135mm STM or the 40mm STM. The two links were merely to highlight my point that the Canon's hybrid AF system works ONLY with STM lenses.

The 650D is not a bad camera per se. But its price is just $50 less than the Canon 60D.

[lightwave]

Hmmm .... OK ... More research has shown me about the Movie AF. Granted.
But still there will be a huge demand for this cam with the STM lenses provided they don't price it badly. Imagine pro quality movies possible at such low cost.
And if the Nikon-1 can sell (as my nephew saw a lot of them in Hong Kong), surely a touch screen articulated LCD with Hybrid focus is going to fetch a lot of users.
About the pricing I totally agree with you. Canon has been making use of its high sales demand to maintain a higher market price. The 5D MkIII is also priced a little more than it deserves IMHO. Maybe the next 6 months will make their marketing strategy clearer.

[Hellwrath]

Imagine pro quality movies possible at such low cost.

Doc, I think 550D (with the hack for HDR) is already there. AFAIK, none of the pro film makers use AF as it's just too inconsistent and unreliable. And, if you can source a camera from the US for movie making, nothing like the Panasonic GH2. The hacking allows a lot of possibilites to open up with it. The funny part is when I type eoshd in google and it starts suggesting eoshd gh2 manual . I thought they were supposed to be famous for canon stuff .

[lightwave]

On the spot!!! I and Amit here have been emphasising since a while that 550D and up are excellent for pro video. Brendon kept going on about AF in Video and hence this discussion went here. I should have added "by novices" to my sentence

[itsme_soumya]

pro video work requires lot of creativity with shallow DOF. if i were a pro videographer, i would always prefer a 5dmk2 or 5dmk3 over a aps-c body. plus pro videographers often use their gear roughly and in different outdoor conditions (drizzle, dust, harsh heat/cold). a weather shielded tough body like 5dmk2/3 would be always preferable over a aps-c 60d or 550d or 650d. 7d also can be another option for pro work.

coming back to 650d, i find it too close to 60d in terms of features. both r 18mp, all cross 9pt, same screen resolution, same metering, almost same video, almost same burst rate etc, no weather shielding, no microadjustment, no mag-alloy body etc etc. then i why will somebody buy 60d if he can get a 650d in lower price? very strange move from canon.

cheers!
soumya

[lightwave]

But this is likely to happen isn't it? As technology advances, today's xxxD series will be beter than yesterday's xxD series cameras. Surely the succesor to the 60D will be much better than the 650D?

[sandy9868]

This is what I never liked about Canon. You need to continuously buy newer lenses just to get better IS and now if you wish to shoot video or use phase AF during live view.

Bingo, even i didn't like this about canon (though Im a canon user), wish if we would have market for Sony DSLR's as we have for Nikon and Canon.

[itsme_soumya]

But this is likely to happen isn't it? As technology advances, today's xxxD series will be beter than yesterday's xxD series cameras. Surely the succesor to the 60D will be much better than the 650D?

yes true. but in that case canon should first upgrade the xxD series and then upgrade the xxxD, because xxD is on higher level in canon's lineup.

and it was perfectly possible for canon to do so. 60d was a aug 2010 camera whereas 600d was a feb 2011 camera. so, it's more relevant if canon upgrades an older camera first, then upgrade the newer camera.

following comparison of features also shows how canon is making their own higher level camera look same as the lower level camera:
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos60d&products=canon_eos650d

cheers!
soumya

[Brendon]

coming back to 650d, i find it too close to 60d in terms of features. both r 18mp, all cross 9pt, same screen resolution, same metering, almost same video, almost same burst rate etc, no weather shielding, no microadjustment, no mag-alloy body etc etc. then i why will somebody buy 60d if he can get a 650d in lower price? very strange move from canon.

cheers!
soumya

The 60D has roughly the following advantages - better more rugged body, MUCH larger buffer (unlimited JPEGs, 14 RAW files vs 22 JPEGs, 6 RAWs), Brighter/larger Pentaprism viewfinder, top LCD, twin control dials vs single control dial, more external controls, and MUCH larger battery life).

On the spot!!! I and Amit here have been emphasising since a while that 550D and up are excellent for pro video. Brendon kept going on about AF in Video and hence this discussion went here. I should have added "by novices" to my sentence

AF in video is going to take away some of Sony's attractions. Though I am not a Video shooter. The occasional clips I have done have been of stationary subjects so AF was not needed.

Sirji, I never did bring up the AF in video topic in this thread ! You did !!!

And I seriously doubt many pros use a 550D or any other APS-C camera for serious video work. A FF sensor ALA 5D MK II/MK III is far more suited for such work.

The AF during video is for the much larger audience who use DSLRs to capture more mundane events like a birthday party, shooting kids etc.

[itsme_soumya]

coming back to 650d, i find it too close to 60d in terms of features. both r 18mp, all cross 9pt, same screen resolution, same metering, almost same video, almost same burst rate etc, no weather shielding, no microadjustment, no mag-alloy body etc etc. then i why will somebody buy 60d if he can get a 650d in lower price? very strange move from canon.

cheers!
soumya

The 60D has roughly the following advantages - better more rugged body, MUCH larger buffer (unlimited JPEGs, 14 RAW files vs 22 JPEGs, 6 RAWs), Brighter/larger Pentaprism viewfinder, top LCD, twin control dials vs single control dial, more external controls, and MUCH larger battery life).

none will give you better performance in terms of image quality. these are trivial features compared to the ones that i mentioned. somebody who only judges a camera by image quality will think twice to spend more on 60d now.

cheers!
soumya

[Brendon]

^^ Well its $50 more for body only.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-CMOS-Digital-Camera-3-0-Inch/dp/B0040JHVCC

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Digital-Camera-3-inch-Touchscreen/dp/B00894YYP6/ref=sr_1_2?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1339405281&sr=1-2&keywords=Canon+T4i

[itsme_soumya]

^^ Well its $50 more for body only.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-CMOS-Digital-Camera-3-0-Inch/dp/B0040JHVCC

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Digital-Camera-3-inch-Touchscreen/dp/B00894YYP6/ref=sr_1_2?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1339405281&sr=1-2&keywords=Canon+T4i

brendon,

you are comparing an introductory MRP with current market price. wait for 3 months and T4i will go below $800.
btw, 60D had introductory MRP of $999. if we consider that, there is a $150 difference!

cheers!
soumya

[lightwave]

My personal wish from this move by Canon:
the 70D should be slightly better than existing 7D, and the 8D move to consumer cost FF placed somewhere between the 5D MkII and 5D MkIII. Perhaps too much to expect

[sandy9868]

^^ amen, wish it would share the same specs as mentioned by you:)